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Jose Mourinho To Spurs, Or Crossing That Bridge That No One Has Built Yet Five Miles Before We Get To It

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Fabio Capello's resignation from the England national team job has caused a lot of people to leap to really ridiculous chain-reaction conclusions. Harry Redknapp could leave Tottenham Hotspur for the England job, which would cause Tottenham Hotspur to find a new manager. Tottenham Hotspur, if they finish in Champions League places, would be able to attract an experienced, big-name manager or a rising star.

Jose Mourinho is rumored to be leaving Real Madrid by mutual consent at the end of this season. Jose Mourinho has said that he would like to return to English football. Tottenham Hotspur is a club in English football that will likely be looking for a big-name manager, and Jose Mourinho is a big-name manager who might be available.

JOSE MOURINHO IS COMING TO TOTTENHAM HOTSPUR!

Have we done a sufficient amount of conclusion-jumping, or did I miss a step?

Thanks to the newly created England drama, we have transfer rumor madness in February. It doesn't involve rumors about Brazilian No. 9s or disgruntled Premier League defenders, but it's just as compelling. Despite the ridiculous leaps of logic that we all have to take that Jose Mourinho could potentially become the next manager of Tottenham Hotspur, we've all proclaimed him a realistic target.

Fine, I'll play along. Let's enter a fantasy world in which Harry Redknapp takes the England job, Jose Mourinho decides to leave Real Madrid, and Daniel Levy pulls the trigger. Mourinho accepts the offer, and he becomes the new Tottenham manager.

Star-divide

Let's tackle some misconceptions about Mourinho. I was going to build a series of strawmen, but you guys built them for me! The premise for this piece is already incredibly illogical -- bordering on truly stupid -- so it really shouldn't matter to me. I should strawman away. But you guys said these things for me, so I can avoid at least one logical fallacy. Thanks, bros!

I just don't know if I could come around to being used to having a big name manager at the helm of Spurs. - Edward Francis

Spurs have their own identity. And it's bigger than any manager. I don't want Mourinho trampling our identity, even if it brings success. - Lennon's Eyebrow

It is quite possible that I cheer for teams for entirely different reasons. I "chose" Tottenham about ten years ago because I liked the way that they played and I liked Robbie Keane. Once they became "my team", I wanted them to win. I don't care if their manager is a pompous prick with a gambling problem who cheats on his wife. I don't care if they win the title with bargain-basement players or if they go all Chelsea/City with their transfer spending.

As long as the club isn't going to suffer long-term damage because of the reckless actions of the manager and board (Hi, Portsmouth!), I want them to do what they think is in the club's best interests. I think that Jose Mourinho, if he becomes available this summer. will be the best manager available for hire. So I want the club to hire him, unless they find some prodigy who they are convinced is as good as or better than Jose Mourinho. End of.

"Mou is a rigid tactical coach[.]" - Lennon's Eyebrow

To be fair to Ben, he continued with "But he lets CR9 roam", so this is not to pick on him. I simply saw this sentiment echoed over and over during the discussions on this site, and he said it first. I think that, while Mourinho is more tactically rigid than Harry Redknapp, this is a bit of a misrepresentation.

First of all, we have to establish what the phrase "tactically rigid" means. I can assume that there are one of two things that Ben (or anyone else) could mean by this. One way they could mean it is that he has a system that he sticks to, which is demonstrably false. He has used short passing and direct versions of 4-3-3, 4-5-1 and 4-2-3-1 setups, while occasionally dabbling in two-striker systems. I'm going to assume that this is NOT what Ben meant, because it's simply absurd. If anyone categorizes Mourinho this way, please inform them of how wrong they are.

What I assume Ben meant is that, when he sets up his team, Mourinho gives his players very defined roles. I think that this is, for the most part, true. However, this will often mean that one player's role is to drop off into spaces and create. One player's role could be to "f--kin run around a bit" and create havoc by doing as much moving off the ball as possible. Telling a player that their job is to run around quite a bit or find space to receive the ball is different from, but might produce similar results to, just sending the players out and giving them no real instructions.

I can understand fans not wanting Gareth Bale or Luka Modric confined to a rigid role, but do we really think that some bad is going to come out of BAE, Kyle Walker, Sandro and Aaron Lennon being given a specific role by a real coach? REALLY?

When he leaves, teams suffer - Lennon's Eyebrow

Chelsea went to the Champions League final after he left and have won the Premier League as well. I think that the core players like Drogba, Lampard, Essien, Terry, Cole and Makelele getting old/injured has WAY more to do with Chelsea's "lack of success" than Mourinho leaving a mess. When it comes to Inter, this is not incorrect, but I fail to see how Mourinho has anything to do with that.

Though...if he's a great manager, aren't teams SUPPOSED to get worse when he leaves?

Mourinho is ... known for playing negative football. Even when he has the tools, his teams seem much less inclined to really cut it loose and play positive, attacking footie. - Uncle Menno

Apologies for singling out Dustin, who admitted that he had not really seen enough of Mourinho's teams to make an evaluation, but this a prevalent view of Mourinho's style. Mourinho is a guy who is willing to play negative football, but his teams are not negative. When playing against inferior opposition, they're always very attacking. When playing against similar opposition, they're pragmatic, but only actually negative when playing Barcelona.

Perhaps his teams were defensive against Manchester United, Arsenal and Milan in big derbies, but I fail to see the problem with this. First of all, because they're not always defensive. Second of all, because Alex Ferguson, Fabio Capello and Carlo Ancelotti have also been willing to do this when necessary. And what would you call our second leg performance against Milan last season?

And honestly, how often have we given up 3-4 goals because we tried to attack obviously superior opposition? I like results more than moral high ground, and I'm surprised that a fanbase that despises Arsene Wenger doesn't feel the same way. Are you guys Cules now? I hope not.

I don't think Mourinho would work If only because of his tradition of liking to splash the cash and Levy not being that kind of guy. - Willman

Inter were not huge spenders in his time there. The players that they brought in the year they won the Champions League cost less, combined, than they got for the sale of Zlatan Ibrahimovic. None of the players bought in the previous season were big time contributors, and he didn't have control over all of these signings.

Most of his key players -- Zanetti, Samuel, Chivu, Maicon, Julio Cesar, Cambiasso, Stankovic -- were already there. Lucio and Pandev were very inexpensive. Sneijder is Sneijder. This situation is extremely similar to the one Spurs will be in this summer. They (will hopefully) already play in Champions League and have a solid core of players. They just need some mid-level spending to become a contender, and will have the money to do it.

Any manager that comes in will have a great core and some money to spend, but will not have huge money to overhaul the squad. This was Mourinho's exact situation at Inter. It is also worth noting that his team at Porto was not one that was built expensively. He should not be punished for being good enough to take jobs at two of the richest clubs in the world.

Part of the reason teams struggle when he leaves is that he spends crazy stupid money on aging players that are past it or close to it by the time he goes. - Skipjack

Michael Essien, Ricardo Carvalho and Didier Drogba were not old when they arrived at Chelsea. Claude Makelele was aging, but you will be hard pressed to find a single Chelsea fan who did not think that was a brilliant, brilliant signing. I'll give you Diego Milito. However, at Real Madrid, he's signed Mesut Özil, Sami Khedira, Angel di Maria, Fabio Coentrao, Nuri Sahin and Jose Callejon. Pretty much debunks that argument by itself.

In conclusion, Jose Mourinho is awesome. All of the criticisms of him are unfounded. Most of them come from Cules or disgruntled fans of Chelsea/Inter rivals. If he becomes the next manager of Tottenham Hotspur, I will be the happiest man on the planet.

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Well argued

Though I never said my point was a logical one. More emotive than anything.

by Edward_Francis on Feb 9, 2012 8:40 PM GMT reply actions  

Fair enough.

With the already-stated caveat that we can’t even see the bridge with a telescope, much less are not yet crossing it, I’m completely willing to defer to your expertise here.

Prior to this, I’d have said that I thought I had seen enough of post-Chelsea Mourinho to be able to get a feel for how his teams play, but that’s clearly not the case. Most of the matches I had seen seemed to emphasize a more defensive-oriented style, but I obviously can’t say I’ve watched enough Inter and Madrid lately. I’m actually relieved to find out that this isn’t really the case.

Just promise me we won’t hire Tony Pulis, ‘kay? Don’t think I can stand watching week upon week of Tottenham Stokespur.

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by Uncle Menno on Feb 9, 2012 8:46 PM GMT reply actions  

I was basing my statement off of his previous two clubs

Not Inter and Porto. The Inter situation is comparable to what he would get here (if he hypothetically came here)

Consider the straw man effectively burned.

Suns & Spurs (not San Antonio) fan.

by Willman on Feb 9, 2012 8:48 PM GMT reply actions  

STRAW MAN STRAW MAN STRAW MAN

In O'Ventbrel We Trust
ALL GLORY TO THFC
VICK-VICK-VICKADELPHIA
I believe in MAGIC
Sold my Soul to the Devils

by NJoverNY on Feb 9, 2012 8:49 PM GMT reply actions  

Kevin droppin’ truthbombs all over the place. Armond White would be proud.

by ahowie on Feb 9, 2012 8:50 PM GMT reply actions  

I know that you're not calling me out, but you said my name alot dammit and so I feel the need to respond.

1. This is a matter of personal preference. And it’s my number one reason for not wanting Mourinho. On this count I vehemently disagree with you, and I guess we’ll just have to agree to disagree. If Wenger wanted to be our coach, despite his obvious abilities, I would tell him to take a walk. If some oil billionaire bought our club and took us from worst to first, I would feel very disappointed. I’m proud of the way the club has built itself to compete over the past decade.

2. I meant the latter. And my first comment on Ed’s post in fact was to say, “A stronger tactical manager may be able to get Bale to understand better when it’s appropriate and beneficial to the team to make those inside runs. As it stands, Bale doesn’t really seem to have a great grasp on when he should stay wide and when he should move centrally. A manager like some of the ones you discount could very well give his development better direction.” So, I think we’re on the same page here.

3. Come on dude, they went to the CL final the year he left with his entire team intact and Avram Grant operating as Mourinho’s surrogate. And my concern about him leaving teams is not entirely to do with money. Though he does like to spend. Players have shown fierce loyalty to him even in his absence, and I think it can make the next manager’s position very precarious. Benitez and Scolari failed on their own merits, sure, but the lingering presence of Mourinho certainly didn’t help.

by Lennon's Eyebrow on Feb 9, 2012 8:50 PM GMT reply actions  

Works for me on all three points.

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by Kevin McCauley on Feb 9, 2012 8:53 PM GMT up reply actions  

I'm feelin' the love here.

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by Uncle Menno on Feb 9, 2012 8:55 PM GMT up reply actions  

Point well taken

Its certainly easy to forget that some of those Chelsea guys aged significantly after he left.

But to be fair, his 3 marquee signings at Inter were Diego Milito, Wesley Sneijder, and Samuel Eto’o. Milito was older than dirt, Eto’o was in his late 20s, and while Sneijder was just about to hit the wrong side of 25. For whatever reason that kind of short termism is what’s stuck in my head when I think about Mourinho,

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by Skipjack on Feb 9, 2012 8:55 PM GMT reply actions  

I'm trying really hard not to get my hopes up about this

as I still don’t think Jose would come to Spurs. But if he did it would be incredible. Quite simply he is the best in the world at what he does. No disrespect intended to Harry, who has proved himself to be a great manager for us, but I believe Mourinho would win the league with our current squad.

I’ve never understood the criticism of the style his teams play. Obviously hes not Harry, he doesn’t “have a go” at all times and in big games he does tend to play defensively. But I liked the style his teams at Chelsea played. I assume he would use Lennon and Bale as he used Robben and Duff. A Mourinho coached Spurs would still be very entertaining to watch.

On the subject of finances I wouldn’t want to see the club go down the Chelsea/Man City route, but that’s just my personal preference.

If Daniel Levy could somehow make this happen. I would build a shrine to him in my apartment.

by GauchoBruin on Feb 9, 2012 8:57 PM GMT reply actions  

This

He is profoundly unlikeable. Then again I was Sonics fan under George Karl. So many conflicting emotions.

Not that there is any chance of him at Spurs.

by tinybubbles on Feb 10, 2012 5:51 AM GMT up reply actions  

FYI y'all

Internacional and Leandro are on Fox Deportes right now.

by ChadUESSpurs on Feb 9, 2012 10:10 PM GMT reply actions  

I KNOW

DAMIAO HAS AN ASSIST. I HATE DANIEL LEVY.

/not really

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by Kevin McCauley on Feb 9, 2012 10:34 PM GMT up reply actions  

Some nice hold up play there

He’s been surrounded by 4 defenders all game, too.

by ChadUESSpurs on Feb 9, 2012 10:38 PM GMT up reply actions  

mostly

agree…I recall Mou mostly for his aggressive subs for chelski. Tie game…second half…2-3 subs at once all aggressive. But saying he got cheap young talent at RM to justify he won’t want to spend money…he did that cause that’s what they needed…already had plenty of big money folks. Might not need big money players to win for us…or he might. Hard to say and doesn’t matter as levy’d never pay his wages.

by bill blake on Feb 9, 2012 11:03 PM GMT via mobile reply actions  

If Mou becomes the next Tottenham manager I'll be very afraid

Unless the next Arsenal manager is Pep Guardiola then HA!

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by Sabrina Dessipe on Feb 9, 2012 11:46 PM GMT reply actions  

JMOUN

In O'Ventbrel We Trust
ALL GLORY TO THFC
VICK-VICK-VICKADELPHIA
I believe in MAGIC
Sold my Soul to the Devils

by NJoverNY on Feb 10, 2012 12:43 AM GMT up reply actions  

Damn, I'd be happy if Mou dropped into our laps

Crazier things have happened. It’s the fact that he’s high profile that might scare some people. I support the club, and if Levy believes that Mou should be the next manager, I’m supporting him. I care for results, and believe that Mou is an upgrade compared to Harry. Don’t get me wrong, Harry is a great manager for us, but I think Mou’s discipline would help carry this team to the upper echelon that we’ve all been waiting on.

Right now, it’s all purely speculation, and I can’t say that it will happen (or even believe it truly will). If it does, I’m going to throw a party. In my…house.

My thoughts are like Brian Cushing on the field: Everywhere.

by f22a4bandit on Feb 10, 2012 12:31 AM GMT reply actions  

Dibs on the sofa

In O'Ventbrel We Trust
ALL GLORY TO THFC
VICK-VICK-VICKADELPHIA
I believe in MAGIC
Sold my Soul to the Devils

by NJoverNY on Feb 10, 2012 12:44 AM GMT up reply actions  

I get mad when most people do all caps lock constantly but I don’t like it when you don’t.

by johnf34 on Feb 10, 2012 4:09 AM GMT up reply actions  

SORRY WILL REVERT TO NORMAL FORM

In O'Ventbrel We Trust
ALL GLORY TO THFC
VICK-VICK-VICKADELPHIA
I believe in MAGIC
Sold my Soul to the Devils

by NJoverNY on Feb 10, 2012 4:53 PM GMT up reply actions  

Remember when we hired George Graham?

If I can deal with that, anything is possible. George “Boring Boring Arsenal” Graham?

by ChrisB76 on Feb 10, 2012 12:57 AM GMT reply actions  

This

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by Kevin McCauley on Feb 10, 2012 2:04 AM GMT up reply actions  

Haven't you contradicted yourself here?

You say in one breath that he hasn’t really splashed out that much cash, and the next you mention Özil, Khedira, etc. etc.

While most of the billion Euros Real Madrid have spent came before Mourhino got there, the fact is, it’s the billion Euros that drew Mourinho to them. You couldn’t find two top-twenty club owners more different than Daniel Levy and Florentino Pérez. What’s RM’s payroll right now? RM have topped the Deloitte Money League what, seven years running now? With revenues twice Tottenham’s, despite a very attractive improvement here?

Mourinho talks a lot about what kind of a club he’d like to move to, but when push comes to shove he’s going to be in a place like City. Someplace with a careless billionaire.

My comedy choice to replace Redknapp is Fabio Capello, who I still think is an outstanding manager, probably better than Redknapp (or Mourinho for that matter). Managing England is a mug’s game, anyways; as long as the FA is staffed entirely by brain-dead cretin “businessmen” and the media by a pack of howler monkeys, at least. Really, Redknapp should tell the FA to get stuffed. And consider what Capello’s huge failure at the World Cup would have looked like if Lampard’s phantom goal had been given.

by Fnarf on Feb 10, 2012 1:21 AM GMT reply actions  

"You say in one breath that he hasn’t really splashed out that much cash, and the next you mention Özil, Khedira"

That’s not a contradiction. I said that he HAS managed teams where he doesn’t spend that much. Inter is not Madrid.

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by Kevin McCauley on Feb 10, 2012 2:05 AM GMT up reply actions  

Wages

How much higher are Inter’s wages than Spurs? That is the primary way to attract players, with CL second.

by tinybubbles on Feb 10, 2012 5:58 AM GMT up reply actions  

Inter isn't Real Madrid

But they aren’t Spurs either. They’re Top Ten on Deloitte’s money league, and always have been; we never have. They have a huge trophy case full of new entries (five league titles in the past decade); we do not.

It would be lovely to move into that sort of rarified world, but it would require a radical change in the team’s, and Levy’s, outlook.

Maybe after the 70,000 seat stadium gets built.

by Fnarf on Feb 10, 2012 8:36 PM GMT up reply actions  

I don't think you can be upset if we were able to lure Mou

That said, I understand why he is not everyone’s preference. I am not a huge fan of his as a person, but I don’t think you can argue with results. I would rather a Rafa Benitez (I know, not the best ending but the guy has produced great results at multiple places) if we are going to go with a vet. My personal preference would be someone younger like Brendan Rogers. If I can dream? David Moyes, come on down.

by BJ the Bossman on Feb 10, 2012 2:46 PM GMT reply actions  

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