£130 million or Modric & Bale?
Some hypotheticals to make this fun:
Spurs finish 3rd in the league. Over the summer they sell Modric to Manchester United for £50 and Bale to Real Madrid for £80 million (I figured that was more realistic than the £150 million price tag Spurs have placed on him).
You're Dan Levy. You've just lost your two best players, but are now sitting on £130 million to reinvest. Taking into account Tottenham Hotspur's wage limits (let's say £100,000/week salary cap), can you wheel-and-deal that £130 million to improve the team over their current level?
The basic question here is this: are Spurs a better team with Modric and Bale, or with the £130 million reinvestment their potential sales would provide? And if the answer is "with Modric and Bale", what amount of compensation do you think it would take to make Spurs a better squad in their absence?
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As much as it pains me to say it...
I think reinvesting that £130 million makes Spurs stronger. I will miss Modric, no doubt, but I will grieve for Bale. He is probably the biggest reason I have fallen in love with Spurs these last few years. For reasons all to obvious (being a Cardinals fan), he’s surpassed Albert Pujols as my favorite athlete. I’d be devastated all over again.
But £130 million is A LOT of money. And while Spurs lose 2 world class players, there are 9 other positions on the field to be considered, plus a bench. For that money Spurs could bring in Ganso to replace Modric, Marko Marin to replace Bale, Damiao or Llorente to replace Adebayor, Vertonghen to strengthen the back line, Tim Krul or Michel Vorm in goal, and Podolski or Remy to strengthen our wings/forward line and STILL have money left to help offset the increase in our wage bill.
So two positions definitely take a hit, but find worthy replacements. Four other positions are strengthened for the foreseeable future.
I'm still trying to figure out sales, so forgive me
Do players have the power to reject a move? I’m living within your hypothetical that we sell both and they both go, not that they refuse.
Where I’m going with this (if this is wrong, please let me know) is that if we sell our “superstars” how would this team appeal to others out there? I don’t know if those high-quality stars would consider a move here because they’d probably view those sales of Mod and Bale as gutting the team to make room for younger guys. Who’d want to play with a team that’s posturing that they’re re-tooling for the future instead of trying to win now besides bench guys wanting first team starts? You don’t have the allure of an immediate run for a CL spot, and the chance for a league title diminishes significantly.
I’d honestly think that if this did happen in the summer that Spurs would be looking to rebuild from the ground up. That’s just how I’d interpret it. Bring in some younger guys that have a very high ceiling to play some (presumably) CL football next season and see what you really have. It’s all conjecture, and I’m sure I’m off.
My thoughts are like Brian Cushing on the field: Everywhere.
That's a good point about perception.
Selling your two best players doesn’t necessarily send the best message to the rest of the footballing world. I’m sure there are a lot of intangibles that make this not as cut and dry as “players out, players in.”
Essentially...
Yes to players rejecting a move.
When transferring teams, players need to sign a new contract and if they don’t want to move, they can just refuse to sign or ask for rediculous wages (usually the case). It’s not like the NA system of sports where you can trade someone to any team you want (barring a no-trade clause), because it’s an outright sale of a player, AFAIK.
How the hell is this even a debate? Of course you take the 130. You take 100 if you can get that in a HEARTBEAT but there’s hardly a chance of that.
Isn’t 130 bigger than the two largest transfers ever, or pretty close?
Cristiano Ronaldo went to Madrid for £80m.
I believe that’s still the world’s highest transfer fee.
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by Uncle Menno on Jan 23, 2012 10:04 PM GMT up reply actions
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by Nick Petrilli on Jan 26, 2012 7:38 PM GMT up reply actions
133 mill pounds
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I seriously don’t want to lose Bale. He’s become such a dynamic threat this year. He’s going to be a Spur for life! HE WILL NEVER LEAVE
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Spurs could afford Damio, Remy, Vertonghen, Krul or Vorm now without selling our two best players. Clearly there is something stopping this from happening. I don’t think selling your stars is the way to build a championship challenging team. You only have to look at Arsenal for an example of how this doesn’t work.
Besides, I’d rather have a leaky defence and strikers that can’t score but be able to cheer on two players who, from time to time, play the best football in the world than lose that. Or to put it another way, beating Inter and AC over the course of two legs or getting wins from Stoke and Wolves this season?
by Luke Winston on Jan 24, 2012 1:23 PM GMT up reply actions
I voted Modric and Bale, for two reasons:
1) I haven’t been a football fan long enough to become callous to the whims of the transfer market. Bale is the most exciting player I’ve ever had the privilege of cheering for, and Luka is the best player on the most successful team I’ve cheered for. We could buy a whole passel of fine players, but I’d have a hard time transferring my affections so easily. And watching Bale just fucking run about in a Real Madrid kit would be heartbreaking.
2) I’m still skeptical about who, exactly, we would buy with this haul of money. We’re already going to be bringing in Champions League money, and I’m not sure who we’ll spend that on. Plus, we don’t pay that much in wages, and we’ll have just sold off our best two players. I can just picture Levy staring daggers into another manager right up to the deadline and then landing a nice center back at a discount, while $125 million goes unused. And if we dump all the money into a new stadium, well that’s just dandy, but I’m never going to get to visit it.
I think without a doubt Modric is the key to this squad.
I think he is the difference between us being the second best team, imo but I’ll accept third or fourth, in the league, and us being seventhpool quality. I think our squad can compete with every single team in the world save Barca because let’s face it if Real Madrid can’t do it we can’t. I think Modric is worth more to this team than any transfer fee we could realistically get, yes even the 50 million pound mark that is being thrown around this week.
Haaaaving said all that take the money and run. 130 million pounds for both players is crazy money. We could buy easily buy 3 world class players and a class keeper for that money, and that’s without touching the budget we should have anyway. The team can be rebuilt around a different set of players, something I don’t think is realistic with just selling Modric for 50 million pounds. This team is built around a certain style that Modric, and Bale to a lesser degree, are essential to. 50 million doesn’t build a new team. 130 does. Of course, back to reality, we would be lucky to get half that for both of the players.
by AWolfAtTheDoor on Jan 23, 2012 11:12 PM GMT reply actions
don't really know why I wrote this treatise
tl;dr = fuck yeah that’s a lot of money
by AWolfAtTheDoor on Jan 23, 2012 11:14 PM GMT up reply actions
Hmmm....if the wage ceiling remains ~100K
Then NO. I would not sell. Not if I was running a club with BIG ambitions, i.e. annual CL and challenging for the title. Otherwise, you have to name for me players who can do better than Modric and Bale, who will come to tottenham, and will be paid <100K.
by ProfByDay on Jan 24, 2012 4:04 AM GMT reply actions 2 recs
This is the best point
Are you sure the best players would agree to come to the Lane?
We can’t afford to pay Adebayor, but now we can pay Brazilian superstars?
This team is a Wolves draw and a head stomp away from being in the lead. There’s simply no reason to change things.
As a fan of multiple teams that have blown up a winning formula, I hope to god the spurs don’t do it.
Like you said tho, at least its an improbably sum
100k Wage Ceiling is Key
Even having the transfer funds to bring in top players, if we can’t pay them the wages they want, they’ll have no interest in coming. Ambition be damned, we all know what players really want. It will be very interesting to see if (and/or how) Spurs wage structure evolves over the coming seasons. .
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by Mike_L_Goodman on Jan 26, 2012 2:07 AM GMT up reply actions
someone else made this point, but I think that selling off your two best players (or at your two highest profile) will send the wrong message to other players hoping to play at the CL level over time. It says to me that Spurs are content to get to the CL every year or two but not serious about staying there.
I think that you can safely sell Modric or Bale, but not both of them.
if your end comment is the case, would sell Modric.
Bale is younger, and we would have to be able to find a replacement with similar abilities to Luka.
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Let’s not forget that transfers don’t always work out as planned. There’s something to be said for having known commodities. It’s exciting to have 130 million to go shopping, but it doesn’t mean your team will improve.
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by telemakhos on Jan 26, 2012 4:38 AM GMT reply actions 1 recs

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