Souleymane Coulibaly Is Best Kept Away From The Vultures
Souleymane Coulibaly became a start at the 2011 Under-17 World Cup. In just four games for Cote D'Ivoire, he scored nine goals. The Siena youth player became linked to big clubs all around the world, and Tottenham Hotspur were the ones that snatched him up. The reported fee was £1m. It took literally no time at all for fans to call for him to get a run-out.
Though it's impossible for fans of the team in the United States to take in Spurs youth games, we can get a pretty good idea of how Coulibaly is performing, and based on the official team match reports and his goal-scoring record, we get the idea that he's pretty good. As much as we can possibly see, he is living up to expectations. He has goals against top-notch foreign youth sides in the NextGen Series, and he has scored in our last two FA Youth Cup wins. The kid can finish.
And yet, he has not made the bench for Tottenham Hotspur's senior team. Not in the FA Cup, not in the Carling Cup, not in the Europa League. Fans call for him to get a run-out and it doesn't appear to be coming. I think that's a good thing.
Does anyone remember Dan Gosling's FA Cup goal against Liverpool while he was playing for Everton? How about Federico Macheda's heroics for Manchester United? How about Danny Rose ON HIS PREMIER LEAGUE DEBUT? Surely you all remember that last one. Real quick: How many of those players are current regulars in a Premier League 18-man squad? How many of them look like they will be starting for a top-half Premier League side in the near future?
Say what you want about Rose, but the answer is none of them. I, like most of you, think Rose can come good and hope that he is one day a Premier League star. But, chances are, he's just a solid player. He'll bounce around mid-table and relegation fodder teams. He's not going to play much for England.
Just like Dan Gosling is probably never going to play for England. Federico Macheda is never going to play for Italy. These guys just simply aren't that good. The question we have to ask is why these guys just aren't that good. There are a couple of possible answers, and both of them reflect poorly on fans and media.
It's very likely that none of these three guys were that great in the first place. Their physical talents and/or attitudes allowed them to excel at the youth level, but once they got to big boy football, they just didn't have that extra edge that is the difference between a star and a serviceable professional footballer. They're all young enough that they can improve, but I think it's safe to say at this point that Gosling, Macheda and Rose are worse than anyone expected them to be three years ago.
They were probably always going to be average pros who scored one great goal or a couple of great goals. At that point, the hype machine got rolling and they didn't live up to it because they were always fairly average players, by the standards of the Premiership. All of them have suffered injuries -- Gosling the worst of all -- but most players suffer bad injuries at some point. They don't make or break anyone, unless they're truly horrific.
But what if the hype broke them? What if Gosling, Macheda and Rose were on the path to stardom and handled it poorly when they were declared as future internationals while they were still teenagers? I find it much more likely that all three of them were always on the mid-level player path, but you have to admit that this is a possibility.
And that's why Tottenham Hotspur are doing the smart thing by keeping Coulibaly out of the spotlight. Away from Cup and Europa League run-outs and away from a loan deal. I am aware that this is completely speculative and that there is a decent probability that I am completely full of it, but I believe that he is at the level of Harry Kane and Tom Carroll, but he's being kept under wraps.
Personally, I think that's a good thing. He's already had to deal with the "next Drogba" nonsense, despite the fact that he's much more like Seydou Doumbia, if we must pick out one of his countrymen. I'd like to see Coulibaly completely out of the spotlight for the remainder of this year, even if he is currently at a Championship/Cup run-out level.
Even if I'm completely wrong, Harry Redknapp and his staff have a good reason for not suiting up Coulibaly for anything but youth games. They have us in a title race, so let's just assume that they know what they're doing for the time being.
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I choked on my cigarette at PREMIER LEAGUE DEBUT!
2 Points
1) I think he’s better than Kane, and Kane won’t be all that amazing, at least as a goal scorer
2) I agree with this, but he needs to fucking play next year in Cup matches, or get loaned out. There’s developing internally and keeping him out of the spotlight, and then there is stunting development. I think we’ll hit that cross section next year and he’ll need to actually play in real matches.
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Yep, agree
But I like that he’s spending his first year in a new country and after the U-17 World Cup just getting settled. Next year, time for some big boy games.
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by Kevin McCauley on Jan 13, 2012 5:17 PM GMT up reply actions
Yes
Ceballos was a cast-off that we took a chance on. We went out and paid cold hard cash money for Coulibaly.
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by Kevin McCauley on Jan 13, 2012 5:21 PM GMT up reply actions
In truth I don’t want to see him for a while. Let him continue training and playing away from the senior squad. He exploded in this tournament & Spurs jumped on him accordingly to secure his services for the future, not now. Maybe he gets a run out next term in some cup matches.
As for Macheda, I blame his dirty cigarettes.
Wait
That was supposed to be delicious cigarettes.
by Jason LeBlanc on Jan 13, 2012 5:25 PM GMT up reply actions
/eyes narrow
//lights up another
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by Nick Petrilli on Jan 13, 2012 5:25 PM GMT up reply actions
Windy, who keeps a close eye on our prospects
Said he thinks Coulibaly is nothing special. First negative perspective I’ve heard from anyone, but probably the worst (e.g. most credible) source to hear it from. (source: fighting cock podcast)
Yeah, I respect Windy's knowledge and opinions
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by Kevin McCauley on Jan 13, 2012 5:31 PM GMT up reply actions
I hope you also respect his extensive criminal operation.
Or else the Windizzle is gonna take care of a few things around here.
O's, Ravens, and Spurs
...what
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by Kevin McCauley on Jan 13, 2012 7:05 PM GMT up reply actions
Exactly Kevin.
Exactly…
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by Nick Petrilli on Jan 13, 2012 7:06 PM GMT up reply actions
I feel like he's changed his opinion on him
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by Nick Petrilli on Jan 13, 2012 5:34 PM GMT up reply actions
I'll Disagree
I watched a lot of U-17 World Cup this summer, because I was really bored. Coulibaly was absolutely class. But as it is at the U-17 level, we have to see if Souley keeps developing or if he was just a puberty beast.
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by Brian Mechanick on Jan 13, 2012 5:34 PM GMT up reply actions
Clarification
Just to clarify, I was misquoted by tehTrunk!
I like Coulibaly – he’s a bundle of energy, he’s hardworking, and he has good striking technique and decent physical attributes. He is very guilty of hanging on to the ball too long or taking on shots when he should pass. But he is only just 17 and has loads of time to mature and develop that part of his game.
Sherwood seems to really rate him.
COYS.
I'm in no hurry to see him on the senior club
If he’s his listed age, he’s very young. Also, I know it’s common practice for African countries to fudge ages for youth tournaments (the Ghana FA flat out admitted it, for one example). Is it rock solid he is the age he’s advertised to be?
I'm not sure
How it could be possible to prove or disprove that he’s 17.
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by Kevin McCauley on Jan 13, 2012 6:05 PM GMT up reply actions
Bone scan?
Good post. btw. Hoping you’re right and ’Arry et al actually do have a plan.
by brett rainbow on Jan 13, 2012 6:08 PM GMT up reply actions
Immigration docs or something?
Baseball has had the same problem with prospects in the DR. I know for a fact one player from the DR is 2 years old than his listed age and he’s been playing MLB for years now, so maybe even immigration papers don’t do the trick. Anyway, I’m not saying he’s NOT 17, but I do have a bit of wariness about it.
by ChadUESSpurs on Jan 13, 2012 6:16 PM GMT up reply actions
He moved to Italy for his family, independently of soccer.
His dad was living there and married an Italian woman, and Souleymane went over there to live with them and escape Africa. So that for me is a good sign. Usually when it’s suspect is where you have some shady African agent shopping their youth prodigy who they swear is only x years old to the European clubs so they can maximize profit.
by Lennon's Eyebrow on Jan 13, 2012 6:30 PM GMT up reply actions
Hopefully it's all on the up and up
I’ve got big hopes for him.
by ChadUESSpurs on Jan 13, 2012 6:40 PM GMT up reply actions
carbon dating
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by theroosevelts on Jan 13, 2012 6:34 PM GMT up reply actions
It worked for Freddy Adu
I know for a fact Adu is 2 years older than he says he is. However, after scandals across baseball, and i’m sure soccer, clubs are more careful. Especially with all the exposure these youth tournaments get now, it’d be pretty difficult.
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by Brendan Darr on Jan 13, 2012 11:25 PM GMT up reply actions
Wait, Freddy's two years older than what his age listed
And it still took him this long to get decent at TEH FOOTIE? Dang.
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by Uncle Menno on Jan 13, 2012 11:38 PM GMT up reply actions
You know for a fact?
I mean, it wouldn’t shock me, but you know for a fact?
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by Kevin McCauley on Jan 14, 2012 1:34 AM GMT up reply actions
Yeah
Played against him when I was 12 in ’98 he was a year younger, then showed up on The Heights team and was younger. It was a big controversy in the Potomac area, have friends who remembered it too. No way to definitely prove it, but I thought it was common knowledge
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by Brendan Darr on Jan 14, 2012 4:48 AM GMT via Android app up reply actions
Great post
I’m all for letting Souleymane do his thing at the club this year, and maybe even first half of the season next year. He will have to get some big boy club experience at some point so we can see if we have a future rock for the strike force. Right now though he’s better off playing in situations that are more comfortable and allow him to build his confidence.
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Before his Twitter account was suspended (assuming it was genuine) Souleymane said there was still some paperwork to be sorted out before he was eligible to play first team football. Also said a slight possibility of going out on loan though I would have thought Spurs would keep him for the NextGen and Youth Cup games.
Coulibaly isn’t eligible for the premier league or the europa league until he is either included in the 25 man squad or has been at spurs for a total of 2 years. Bostock was also unable to play in the Europa league for a similar reason (time on loan meant he hasn’t spent a total of 2 years as a spurs player.
by Alfie conns sideburn on Jan 13, 2012 8:32 PM GMT reply actions
You'll have to elaborate on this
Because it certainly isn’t a rule that under-18 players have to spend two years at a club before they can play first team football.
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by Kevin McCauley on Jan 13, 2012 10:52 PM GMT up reply actions
The exemption from the 25 man squad for under 18’s is only for players who have been at the club for 2 years. Uefa rule
by Alfie conns sideburn on Jan 14, 2012 1:32 AM GMT up reply actions
Okay, so he is eligible
They would just have to register him.
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by Kevin McCauley on Jan 14, 2012 1:35 AM GMT up reply actions
Proof?
I doubt you’ll find any, as you’re wrong.. As you said, it’s a UEFA rule, not an English FA rule.. 17 players who don’t class as homegrown, 8 who do, players under 21 as of 01/01/11 do not require registration.. for any (senior) UEFA competition, the rule is 17 non-homegrown players, 8 homegrown players (4 of which must have been trained at the club for 3 years prior to the age of 21) and an unlimited number of players born on or after 01/01/90 who have trained at the club for a minimum of 2 years..
I'm pretty sure that's not true at all
I’m like 98% sure that Sandro was not registered on our squad last year because he met the U-21 requirements. And he was at the club for like 7 seconds before the season started. Not sure about CL squad, but I think he got u-21’d onto that team as well.
by Lennon's Eyebrow on Jan 14, 2012 9:28 PM GMT up reply actions

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